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Where everyone is embracing EVs, Wyoming is trying to phase out EV sales by 2035.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/01/wyoming-seeking-to-phase-out-ev-sales-by-2035/

The new state senate joint resolution (no. SJ0004) is titled “Phasing Out New Electric Vehicle Sales by 2035,” and was introduced last Friday with support from members of the Wyoming House of Representatives and Senate.

The resolution lays out a number of justifications for phasing out EV sales, the most prominent of which is Wyoming’s reliance on oil and gas production. Although Wyoming is the least-populace state in the U.S., it’s also one of the biggest producers of crude oil.

“WHEREAS, the United States has consistently invested in the oil and gas industry to sustain gas-powered vehicles, and that investment has resulted in the continued employment of thousands of people in the oil and gas industry in Wyoming and throughout the country,” the resolution states.

The EV sales resolution goes on to state that Wyoming’s “vast stretches of highway” and lack of EV charging infrastructure make electric vehicles impractical, while adding that widespread EV adoption would necessitate “massive amounts of new power generation in order to sustain the misadventure of electric vehicles.” The resolution states that fossil fuels will be vital for the transportation of goods and people across Wyoming and the U.S. for years to come.

Finally, the resolution states that EV production relies on critical minerals that are vulnerable to disruption, and that EV batteries “are not easily recyclable or disposable,” and thus landfills will require development to safely dispose of a supposed influx of EV battery waste.

Critically, the resolution isn’t an outright ban on EV sales. Rather, it “encourages” Wyoming industry and citizens limit EV sales, with the eventual goal of phasing out new EV sales by 2035.

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HawaiiEV

· #2 · 5 mo ago

And then there were the crazies on the other side of with their extreme beliefs…. I think we allow the market to work naturally, this is a concept the Wyoming politicians no doubt profess to believe in. The middle path is the one that will be taken, no use expending energy at the radical edges of reality.

Mandating or banning EVs by 2035 equally crazy. Wish they had a crazy finger rotation emoji by the head, probably work someone into a fuss though.

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EVTrucking

· #3 · 5 mo ago (Edited)

Special interest groups will of course object to anything that negatively affects their interests but that does not mean the change is not needed. These same groups have kept us locked into oil for a long time.

Banning new EV sales by 2035 in Wyoming will be meaningless because by then EVs will be firmly established in the US and globally. ICEs will probably still out number EVs but their days will be clearly numbered.

For EV doubters/haters Wyoming may be a good choice to relocate to, it is the least populated state in the US. However, it is inevitable that Wyoming will succumb to electrification.

Wyoming with it's low population and low number of high density cities is likely much less experienced with ICE produced smog/air pollution and therefore does not see the need for a change.

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camaroz1985

· #4 · 5 mo ago

At least some people there were smart enough to see they shouldn't waste more time on this discussion. It was dismissed already.

I think it is more a sign that they (WY) sees a change coming for their local industry. Instead of putting energy into resisting change, they need to focus on diversifying their industry to not rely so heavily on oil and gas. Oil and gas aren't going away and will still be necessary in an ICE-free world, whenever that happens (definitely not 2035).

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HawaiiEV

· #5 · 5 mo ago

It was designed to fail by setting a precedent that banning one technology over the other is wrong and bad for consumers and their freedom to choose.

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Noult

· #6 · 4 mo ago

Wow, I thought I was reading the thread title wrong or it was an article's typo............ oh well I had no idea Wyoming's govt was that against EV. I love the "encourages" part in: "Critically, the resolution isn’t an outright ban on EV sales. Rather, it “encourages” Wyoming industry and citizens limit EV sales." it almost feels like a straight up threat to its citizens

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fhteagle

· #7 · 4 mo ago

What baffles me is the waffling in the rhetoric. "EVs are bad because they aren't clean because they're powered by coal" was the argument for how many years? Now we have two so-called representatives from coal states trying to damage the EV market. Do they not realize EVs can be powered by coal to an extent that gasoline / diesel powered vehicles basically never will?

Please do not mistake that as me being pro-coal. Just pointing out that those who are pro-coal by ignorance or by bribery are missing a giant opportunity to keep their industry relevant for a little while longer.

As to the market, well, I would love for the market to decide for itself. This means ending the tax breaks and the low corporate liability / responsibility for damage, destruction, and pollution enjoyed by fossil fuel companies for decades. If pollution emitters were required to pay 100% of the costs for de-polluting, health risks to communities, etc, then and only then is the market truly fair. Until then, externalizing those costs and damages means there is no fair market, and therefore the market cannot decide for itself. When fossil fuels were the only way we knew how to power our lifestyle, the subsidies were a little more excusable. Now that there are genuine competing technologies, let's let em compete in a truly fair way.

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HawaiiEV

· #8 · 4 mo ago (Edited)

I assume you would apply the same to battery production?

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fhteagle

· #9 · 4 mo ago

HawaiiEV said:
I assume you would apply the same to battery production?

I would, yes, both from an environmental ethics and economic fairness standpoint.

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jjmicon

· #10 · 4 mo ago

I often wonder why the BP, Amoco, Shell, and Sunoco, convenience stores of the world aren't leading the charge to install EV charging next to their gasoline pumps? The real profit to a convenience store owner isn't in what they make selling a gallon of gasoline, but rather what they make on the sale of a $2.89 candy bar. It would seem they would want to lure more junk food junkies into their stores with EV charging infrastructure - especially BP which produces quite a bit of renewable wind and solar power.

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HawaiiEV

· #11 · 4 mo ago

EV customers right now tend to be cheap and camp out. At least that’s what I’ve seen.

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jjmicon

· #12 · 4 mo ago

HawaiiEV said:
EV customers right now tend to be cheap and camp out. At least that’s what I’ve seen.

True that. I have recently seen more than a few EV owners plugged in at state park campground electric campsites spending the overnight in a tent. Next time I will be more nosey about their chargers - 30 amp, 50 amp or 110 setups? For the more adventurous, it is an inexpensive overnight stay with free electricity and hot shower to boot. At my age a good quality air mattress would be a must!

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Trekkie

· #13 · 4 mo ago

HawaiiEV said:
EV customers right now tend to be cheap and camp out. At least that’s what I’ve seen.

Odd, we tend to spend like we gave a kid a $100 bill and pushed them into the candy aisle. I really like the locations that are at a Sheetz here in NC (For Tesla chargers only) the EA locations are more hidden in a corner, dark and sketchy with 3/4 the chargers not working (VW ID.4 and Polestar 2)

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HawaiiEV

· #14 · 4 mo ago

We have tons of old leafs running around with hippies basically living out their car. They always max out their two hours at target before moving on to Walmart. No one fast charges here because the few Helco chargers we have aren’t very convenient and cost twice as much as home charging and gas which is already the highest in the country. I think it’s like 60 cents a kWh at those and they only 50 kw, so not all that fast. No doubt Tesla drivers are a higher end clientele, we don’t have super chargers. Experience very by location.

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