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What other EV trucks will be in production by the time the Silverado EV finally goes into production?

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Is Chevy’s delay in producing the Silverado EV a smart move?

* Gives Lightning a big head start for market share.
*. The EV truck market will be considerably more competitive.
 

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Is Chevy’s delay in producing the Silverado EV a smart move?
What Delay? Any other entry to the market is also going to have to ramp up production for a brand new product on an assembly line the same as GM. Ford short circuited the process a bit by ramming a round peg into their existing square hole of an F-150 design, but in the long term will likely be found to be lacking the benefits that a ground up design is bound to offer.
 

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To add some clarity to my comment. When I put my deposit down in January, it was with the full knowledge that I would be waiting ~24 (or more) months before I had any chance of seeing an actual vehicle. All the guidance I have seen from GM since continues to follow that same approximate timeline. It would not surprise me at all if those at the very top of the list of reservations start getting the opportunity to option out their vehicles and placing actual orders toward the end of the first quarter of next year for vehicles to be delivered late 3rd or early 4th quarter.
 

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Good point. By delay I meant that from what I think I know the first Silverado EVs are planned for Summer 2024, roughly two years from now. I am not sure the delay is due to ground up engineering or a bit of wait and see. Either way two years is a long time. A positive to the delay is that the charging infrastructure will be more mature.

True that other EV truck manufacturers will probably not be mass producing for 1-2 years but they will be available enough to compete.

Chevy’s long term strategy, if based on careful design and lessons from the Bolt/Volt/Hummer is true, then it may be a very smart move.
 

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To add some clarity to my comment. When I put my deposit down in January, it was with the full knowledge that I would be waiting ~24 (or more) months before I had any chance of seeing an actual vehicle. All the guidance I have seen from GM since continues to follow that same approximate timeline. It would not surprise me at all if those at the very top of the list of reservations start getting the opportunity to option out their vehicles and placing actual orders toward the end of the first quarter of next year for vehicles to be delivered late 3rd or early 4th quarter.
You may be right on the timing.

Although I am enjoying my R1T it is clear to me that range/charging speed/charging infrastructure/servicing is in it’s infancy. This is why I have a Silverado EV reservation, two years from now my expectation is that EV adoption will be significantly more mature.

Sadly though if Chevy allows dealers to continue to gouge folks with markups then I will pass.
 

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If GM's "delay" (I wouldn't call it a delay as such, hence in quotes) means that their product is designed and built to a higher standard, then I'm just fine with it. I'm one of those buyers who are not shopping around all brands and models. I like what GM is doing and I want to see it through. Plus, I'm not in a hurry at all, so GM can take what ever time it needs to make sure the product is good.

Whether I will actually buy one depends on whether I can find a dealer who doesn't play games. I currently do not have high hopes for the dealer I chose at reservation time in January, so I may need to find another one.
 
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If GM's "delay" (I wouldn't call it a delay as such, hence in quotes) means that their product is designed and built to a higher standard, then I'm just fine with it. I'm one of those buyers who are not shopping around all brands and models. I like what GM is doing and I want to see it through. Plus, I'm not in a hurry at all, so GM can take what ever time it needs to make sure the product is good.

Whether I will actually buy one depends on whether I can find a dealer who doesn't play games. I currently do not have high hopes for the dealer I chose at reservation time in January, so I may need to find another one.
Patience is a virtue! Just wish I had some.

I checked with my chosen dealer and other dealers in my area recently and was told there would be at least a $2,500 mark up and could be considerably more depending on demand. The dealers are already salivating!!!
 

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Patience is a virtue! Just wish I had some.

I checked with my chosen dealer and other dealers in my area recently and was told there would be at least a $2,500 mark up and could be considerably more depending on demand. The dealers are already salivating!!!
I was interested in a Lightning before i reserved a Silverado. The Ford dealer told me that all the Ford dealers on Long Island were charging at least $2500 over. I found a website that showed what the dealers were charging. I found three nearby dealers in NJ who were selling at list price. I would have switched to one on them.

With my Silverado, I just picked the closest dealer. I’ll switch it if I don’t think I’m getting treated fairly.
 

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I was interested in a Lightning before i reserved a Silverado. The Ford dealer told me that all the Ford dealers on Long Island were charging at least $2500 over. I found a website that showed what the dealers were charging. I found three nearby dealers in NJ who were selling at list price. I would have switched to one on them.

With my Silverado, I just picked the closest dealer. I’ll switch it if I don’t think I’m getting treated fairly.
Right now all we can do is wait and see.

I also had a Lightning reservation but canceled it after the fiasco with our MME.

Fortunately my R1T was delivered in late June. Online direct purchase was a pleasurably smooth experience. The R1T is my backup incase I can not get the Silverado EV at MSRP or if the price is too high.
 

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What other EV trucks will be in production by the time the Silverado EV finally goes into production?

  • Toyota
  • Ram
  • CT
  • Other?

Is Chevy’s delay in producing the Silverado EV a smart move?

* Gives Lightning a big head start for market share.
*. The EV truck market will be considerably more competitive.
Rivian, Canoo?, Alpha Wolf (not likely)

I think Rivian will have production sorted by the time the Silverado is released. Canoo looks neat, but hardly a real competitor to GM/Ford/Ram and their house is a mess from what I’ve read. Love the retro vibe from Alpha, but their vaporware is most likely just a way for you to give away your deposit.
 

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I think Rivian is delivering a steady stream of R1s but is currently supply chain limited.

Lordstown and Canoo are long shots.

Toyota and Ram will offer EV trucks but not for a few years.

Nissan, Honda??
 

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Good point. By delay I meant that from what I think I know the first Silverado EVs are planned for Summer 2024, roughly two years from now. I am not sure the delay is due to ground up engineering or a bit of wait and see. Either way two years is a long time. A positive to the delay is that the charging infrastructure will be more mature.

True that other EV truck manufacturers will probably not be mass producing for 1-2 years but they will be available enough to compete.

Chevy’s long term strategy, if based on careful design and lessons from the Bolt/Volt/Hummer is true, then it may be a very smart move.
The Silverado EV will start delivery in 2023 not 2024. So they aren't too far behind. RAM and the CyberTruck will probably be the ones starting in 2024.
 

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The Silverado EV will start delivery in 2023 not 2024. So they aren't too far behind. RAM and the CyberTruck will probably be the ones starting in 2024.
I just checked and you are correct, late 2023. Dang an MSRP of $105k + Dealer Markup.

In 2024 they will introduce various less expensive trim levels, correct? That is what I will wait for.

My R1T cost $76k before state tax and I will get the $7.5k tax credit. No dealer, hence no markup.
 

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In 2024 they will introduce various less expensive trim levels, correct? That is what I will wait for.
WT has an "estimated MSRP" of $40, so there is another option. However, based on what has been happening in the MSRP world with other manufacturers, I'm not expecting GM to be any different and will raise it by 6-7K before a single EV Silverado hits the hands of consumers. Especially with the new gubinmint tax incentives to consumers Easy money for all manufacturers to grab. :mad:
 

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WT has an "estimated MSRP" of $40, so there is another option. However, based on what has been happening in the MSRP world with other manufacturers, I'm not expecting GM to be any different and will raise it by 6-7K before a single EV Silverado hits the hands of consumers. Especially with the new gubinmint tax incentives to consumers Easy money for all manufacturers to grab. :mad:
I am under the impression that WT in 2023 is for fleet sales but you are probably correct that WTs for general sales will be available in 2024.

I also agree that the manufacturers will take advantage snd charge more. How much more will of course depend a number of factors 2 years from now.

What really irks me is the legalized extortion by the dealerships.

For now it is wait and see.
 

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I am getting tired of hearing about how bad the dealers are. Yes, there are some out there who will squeeze every dime possible out of the customer, but there are others out there who will sell for MSRP. I got my MME for $1K below MSRP (yes it took nine months, and Ford's ordering system leaves much to be desired, but they did honor the pricing), and I expect to get my Silverado at MSRP based on the long term relationship I have with the dealer. If your dealer is a scumbag, find another and move your reservation. It is not like there is a shortage of dealers, and they have to compete for business with one another.
 

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I expect to get my Silverado at MSRP based on the long term relationship I have with the dealer.
Good for you to have the established relationship. (y) Some of us don't have that since we haven't exactly been patronizing them in the past to create such a relationship. I, for one, have never bought a brand new vehicle and have also been avoiding their used sales departments as much as I can over the years.

I do fully agree with you, though, that there are also good ones out there, maybe even more than the bad ones. But it just kinda happens so often that one bad apple spoils the bunch. One needs to do a lot research before picking one to have the relationship with.
 

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I am getting tired of hearing about how bad the dealers are. Yes, there are some out there who will squeeze every dime possible out of the customer, but there are others out there who will sell for MSRP. I got my MME for $1K below MSRP (yes it took nine months, and Ford's ordering system leaves much to be desired, but they did honor the pricing), and I expect to get my Silverado at MSRP based on the long term relationship I have with the dealer. If your dealer is a scumbag, find another and move your reservation. It is not like there is a shortage of dealers, and they have to compete for business with one another.
I agree that there are good and bad dealers. What I object to is that they got themselves legislated into a position where all new car sales must go through them. Hence, legalized extortion.

I have contacted all of the Chevy dealers in my 100 mile radius and ALL said their intent is to markup as much as the market will allow.

We waited 8 months for our MME with a agreed upon MRSP price. For 2.5 months Ford said it had been delivered but the dealer insisted he did not have it and had no idea where it was. 3 days after we walked away it showed up and the GM informed us he had sold it for +$5k over MSRP. Through all the lies and frustration we learned that when the vehicle leaves the factory there is a huge void between the factory and the dealer where neither can or will respond or take control.

I have been driving for 50+ years and had a few decent buying experiences and a good share of poor to bad. Hours of haggling, pressured to take something on the lot, coerced into accepting vehicles damaged in shipment, ect.

At the very least dealers must adjust to online ordering and stop all the games.
 

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If and when other EV truck manufacturers offer reservations I will select one or two and reserve as back up.

Affordable Silverado EVs are not available until 2024 and hopefully a few other manufacturers will be available by then. I don’t like putting all my eggs in one basket.
 
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