Tyler Hoover has sold his Lightning apparently due to the range decrease he's received in cold weather, around half of what he was normally getting.
I agree with everything you said, but the price reason will most likely not hold up to be true. The $40000 model will be very elusive if not completely unavailable. I'm expecting $60000 and up, at which point I will not be a customer.I am one of those East Coasters that @HawaiiEV was talking about. Besides a daily driver, I plan to use mine for hauling DIY loads from Home Depot and moving my kids to/from college. While I have always acknowledged the utility of trucks, I have never been interesting in owning one before the F150 Lightning/Silverado EV. My three reasons for not wanting a truck are 1) Price, 2) Fuel Economy, & 3) protected storage for smaller loads (eg Grocery store trips). EV Trucks (F-150 Ligntening Pro/Silverado EV WT) are similar in price to other EVs that I am looking at so that resolves my first reason. While ICE trucks are definitely improving on their own, being an EV resolves my second reason. The frunk solves my third reason.
Don't discount first time truck owners like me. We will be happy with the EV trucks that do not fully match the utility of ICE trucks and it will give the manufactures time to improve to the point where they do match (or exceed) ICE trucks.
Unfortunately you are probably right about that point. Since I don’t need a new vehicle right now and am willing to wait, I am hoping that I will be able to get one under $50k.I agree with everything you said, but the price reason will most likely not hold up to be true. The $40000 model will be very elusive if not completely unavailable. I'm expecting $60000 and up, at which point I will not be a customer.
I think when the time comes the price difference between the cheapest ICE truck and cheapest EV truck will not be that much and will be well worth it. No exhaust, no gas, no oil changes and good for you and the folks around you.Unfortunately you are probably right about that point. Since I don’t need a new vehicle right now and am willing to wait, I am hoping that I will be able to get one under $50k.
I disagree that EV trucks are for city folks. If the farm, cabin, has electricity then EV trucks can do everything ICE trucks can with the exception of long distance heavy hauling.It’s just not possible with the price of lithium batteries going up. The cost of the 400 mile pack is $40k now and will soon be more. We bottomed at $138 per kwh. I’ve got no problem with city dwellers and suburban folks owning trucks that trend started long ago. I am a little bitter that the result is pushing trucks upmarket, especially the EV trucks now. This will push the pricing out of affordability for me who could afford a nice one before and certainly those who could only afford a WT. I’m also a little bitter that over all the years I owned trucks to work in the city doing concrete and other work, getting keyed 3 different times and yelled at for being environmentally insensitive, that now that trucks are EV and still terrible efficiency suddenly it’s “cool” and in to drive them for pleasure in the cities. How many tech reviewers loving on the Hummer EV, it’s still a terrible vehicle for the city and horrendous efficiency, it’s a fucking Hummer. GMs marketing and everyone else’s around the EV doesn’t help, all they want is more profits yet now they can market their giant work trucks as “woke”.
I disagree that EV trucks are for city folks. If the farm, cabin, has electricity then EV trucks can do everything ICE trucks can with the exception of long distance heavy hauling.
Not sure you have noticed but the price of ICE trucks is rising as is most other stuff.
I completely agree that EV trucks do not meet all folks needs and for now they still have excellent ICE choices. ICE trucks are less expensive.
EV adoption/implementation is in it’s infancy but will advance and mature to where it meets everyone’s needs/wants. That will of course lead to whole new set of problems to solve.
I tend to forget that I am an old fart that still clearly remembers gas rationing back in the mid 70’s. Waiting for hours with the hope there would be some gas left by the time I got to the pump. Etched into that memory is the knowledge that big oil had us by the dangly’s and have continued to this day to suppress any innovation that would challenge their golden goose.Cold-weather range is also an issue; a bunch of people north of the Sun Belt are going to see diminished range. The 400+ mile extended battery option will likely make up a small portion of overall product mix.
But your comment about the adoption curve is also something I feel a lot of folks are missing out on. While BEV cars and BEV CUVs are a bit more mature than light trucks, overall EV market share is still very low compared to a normal mid/full adoption S-curve. When a technology is new, only a certain group of people can reasonably afford that technology and incorporate it into their daily lives.
It's a bit of a pipe dream for someone to expect a $50,000 truck (expressed in today's dollars) that literally swaps in and provides all the capabilities of an existing ICE truck that is matured 100 years. But a lot of posts on this forum and comments on other auto-sites show how people want an EV today (or in 2024) to be some magic solution. That's just not realistic. A BEV today comes with it the concession of a high price, range anxiety, sub-par interior, and annoying CEOs. PHEVs are a reasonable middle-ground technology (Volt, Toyota Prime, Volvo Recharge, etc) to bridge the gap, but they have a stiff price premium too. The government will try to address the price/anxiety issue by throwing money at buyers and the charging network, it'll still take decades before the product is mature enough to satisfy the normal buyer's wants at an affordable price point
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