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I just noticed something that I don't think anyone has picked up on during the Detroit Auto show or anywhere else really.

GM changed out the lower Grill of the truck. I'm really surprised I didn't see anyone mention this.

EDIT: I actually just looked at a recording I did at the show and it's the same as the original Vehicle on the Floor during Public days BUT DURING PRESS DAYS IT WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

EDIT 2: Even the Wheels were different!

Reveal:
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Detroit (non-public Press Day):
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The bow-tie is also non-glowing now. You know whichever engineer that had the badging was like "eff this my budget can't cover your fancy LED bullsh!t, larger hole in the grille mold, weather-sealing, and wiring harness" and just deleted the cool glowing bow tie from the BOM :(
 

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Good looking rig.

I wonder what the truck dimensions are?

I like the blue but hoping they have a nice green.

Edit: The current dimensions indicate that it is huge! I’ll need a sky hook to wash it. Unnecessarily big and fake bad ass looking.
 

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You mean they style the full size work truck a bit to make it look tough? Yeah… not sure how to you complain about that or pretend the size isn’t part of its engineered function. Here’s a 2022 Silverado, don’t see a whole lot of “puffed up”.
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A more likely answer is you aren’t the target demographic for a full size truck if you think it’s too big, they have two smaller sizes of truck to choose from now and a million SUVs, hatchbacks and cars. Have you considered the Ford maverick? It’s bad enough now with people buying full size trucks to drive people around the city and the useless short beds. Buy a truck that suits your lifestyle and let the rest of us work with ours.
 

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You mean they style the full size work truck a bit to make it look tough? Yeah… not sure how to you complain about that or pretend the size isn’t part of its engineered function. Here’s a 2022 Silverado, don’t see a whole lot of “puffed up”.
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A more likely answer is you aren’t the target demographic for a full size truck if you think it’s too big, they have two smaller sizes of truck to choose from now and a million SUVs, hatchbacks and cars. Have you considered the Ford maverick? It’s bad enough now with people buying full size trucks to drive people around the city and the useless short beds. Buy a truck that suits your lifestyle and let the rest of us work with ours.
I have an R1T and a EV6 SUV. As mentioned in this forum multiple times I prefer the size of the R1T. However, I have a 1/5/22 Silverado EV reservation and if the price, no ADM, availability and battery technology hit the mark then the size of the Silverado EV will not matter.

It is my opinion that over time the front end of full size pickups has gotten bigger and bigger to compete for most bad ass looking.

Also, as mentioned multiple times in this form there is no way in hell I will ever purchase ICE anything!

Fortunately ICEs are on their way out!
 

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Not any time soon for actual work and tow trucks, the target market of full size and heavy duty trucks, see the thread on towing. Sounds to me you aren’t the target demo for the Silverado or any full-size. I’ll tell you as someone who has worked concrete in the city, someone has to actually dig a hole and build all that stuff people take for granite. You might be surprised to find the people who work with these trucks are tough people, they might like a little tough styling to go with their full-size, so the market dictates following the engineering. There will be any number of options soon with minimal Tesla styling in various shades of white, silver, grey and black. Not from GM or Ford.

Oh and the Silverado EV is the same size as my 20 year old full size. The midsize trucks have grown, not so much the full size.




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Dimensions; Length: 237.2 in. Overall Width without Mirrors: 79.7 in. Height: 76.2


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Width, Max w/o mirrors (in.) 81.2
Height, Overall (in.) 75.4
 

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Not any time soon for actual work and tow trucks, the target market of full size and heavy duty trucks, see the thread on towing. Sounds to me you aren’t the target demo for the Silverado or any full-size. I’ll tell you as someone who has worked concrete in the city, someone has to actually dig a hole and build all that stuff people take for granite. You might be surprised to find the people who work with these trucks are tough people, they might like a little tough styling to go with their full-size, so the market dictates following the engineering. There will be any number of options soon with minimal Tesla styling in various shades of white, silver, grey and black. Not from GM or Ford.
It is totally debatable as to how long it will take for full EV adoption but it is inevitable.

BTW I worked construction for many years and know all about hard working tough folks and trucks.

The vast majority of big ass trucks on the road are not used as working trucks.

At the rate battery tech and renewables is advancing there will be nothing that an EV will not be able to do as good or better than an ICE in the not too distant future.
 

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Yep and that’s why there are crew cab trucks running around with a 5 foot bed. You will notice the HD trucks look even more aggressive. No excuses from me, I think there’s a lot of people who shouldn’t be driving full size trucks including you. There are plenty of other choices, not sure how buying another new vehicle in a matter of a few years is good for the environment, especially if it’s larger then you need. I keep my vehicles going for 10 years minimum, my truck and 4wd are both 20 years old and still running. GM has said no EV HD trucks till 2035, I think more then a decade is a good while and it will take solid state batteries to achieve the necessary towing ranges.
 

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Lol why are you guys gatekeeping trucks? Everybody has a different reason for wanting this Silverado EV - there is no more valid reason to have one than anyone else.

Products evolve over time to suit the tastes of buyers at the time. If you dropped a 2002 F150 Crew on the marketplace right now, that truck is not going to sell (assuming pricing scaled up for the time gap).

We'll see if this Silverado EV is the right truck for the market in 2023 (2024?). But there are potentially millions of people that could want this Silverado EV, and I don't think any one of them is going to have a better or worse reason for buying one.
 

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It’s the environmental argument/city dweller politics I’m tuning into. I’m fine with everyone buying what they want, I want a full size truck and don’t mind the size they have been for the last two decades. In fact I love the avalanche and Silverado ev because they are bigger in function then they are physical size. I do agree a lot of people don’t need a full size truck, it’s their choice to buy it and I’ve got no complaints. I’ve got no judgement of anyone who’s not doing the judging themselves, especially if the whole complaint sounds rooted in being a hypocrite.
 

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Yep and that’s why there are crew cab trucks running around with a 5 foot bed. You will notice the HD trucks look even more aggressive. No excuses from me, I think there’s a lot of people who shouldn’t be driving full size trucks including you. There are plenty of other choices, not sure how buying another new vehicle in a matter of a few years is good for the environment, especially if it’s larger then you need. I keep my vehicles going for 10 years minimum, my truck and 4wd are both 20 years old and still running. GM has said no EV HD trucks till 2035, I think more then a decade is a good while and it will take solid state batteries to achieve the necessary towing ranges.
Good for you!

For some reason you think you know me but you don’t.

EVs are not a fad!
 

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I don’t know you. I know you think the full size trucks are too large, fake and puffed up when they haven’t changed in size for two decades. I know you think the silverado ev is too big for you, and you just bought a mid size truck which you want to replace with the Silverado in two years for range? Or a second truck that’s too large just because. You are committed to EVs which is fine, so am I but you seem to be discounting the fact that these trucks are large for a reason and EV is nowhere close to displacing ICE for a lot of full size uses. If I misread the political/full size trucks don’t belong in the city angle, I apologize that’s my bad. When I worked concrete in the city my truck was keyed 3 different times, one time with a clear message about how I shouldn’t have a large truck, so maybe I’m a little sensitive to the irony of people living in giant built up places and complaining that some trucks are large to build them up.
 

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I don’t know you. I know you think the full size trucks are too large, fake and puffed up when they haven’t changed in size for two decades. I know you think the silverado ev is too big for you, and you just bought a mid size truck which you want to replace with the Silverado in two years for range? Or a second truck that’s too large just because. You are committed to EVs which is fine, so am I but you seem to be discounting the fact that these trucks are large for a reason and EV is nowhere close to displacing ICE for a lot of full size uses. If I misread the political/full size trucks don’t belong in the city angle, I apologize that’s my bad. When I worked concrete in the city my truck was keyed 3 different times, one time with a clear message about how I shouldn’t have a large truck, so maybe I’m a little sensitive to the irony of people living in giant built up places and complaining that some trucks are large to build them up.
I think you miss understand my comment in regards to full size trucks. I think the length, width of full size trucks is justifiable for actual work trucks. My comment is more about the front end design being intentionally made to look big and bad ass. I also think a lot of folks buy big bad ass trucks that don’t need them other than to drive around and look bad ass.

The R1T is the right size for me at this time in my life. I am retired and have no need for a bigger truck. I do need a truck but not for hauling big stuff. My hobby is woodworking and occasional camping. The R1T at 835hp/900+ftbs of torque with 11,000 pound towing meets my needs.

As mentioned before my primary interest in the Silverado EV is it’s potential to have better battery tech. But it has to meet my criteria for price and battery tech before I will even consider it. Also, I do not have have brand loyalty.

I have always kept my trucks and cars for many years as basic ICE technology has remained the same for a long time. However, EVs are evolving quickly and I am hedging my bets.
 

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Huh well I guess it might be a couple inches above the engine on the current Silverado. Looks about the same size on the EV. So it’s just a style thing? It seems every vehicle is trying to be more muscular except the teslas. My wife’s RAV4 looks like it’s trying way hard, looks awesome for her, I wouldn’t be crazy about it for myself given it’s a commuter car. I don’t mind the styling in the full size, looks pretty functional on the current Silverado and the EV. I apologize if I misunderstood your comments they seemed to have evolved some from the original it’s so big I’m gonna need a skyhook to wash it, you will need a step stool.

I don’t think there is a significant difference in battery technology between the Rivian and Silverado, both some form of NMC. If I were you and happy with the Rivian, especially the size, you should wait till solid state comes out, maybe lithium iron can figure out it’s range issues. I think solid state is the next leap in battery technology, LG and GM claim their NMCA tech will have better fast charging durability, but otherwise it’s the same heavy, explosive, 10 years worth of cycles. If my truck wasn’t ready to be upgraded now and I wasn’t going to save 30k over ten years with charging off solar I would wait. Depending on the pricing I might still end up with a stop gap late model ice truck.
 

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Huh well I guess it might be a couple inches above the engine on the current Silverado. Looks about the same size on the EV. So it’s just a style thing? It seems every vehicle is trying to be more muscular except the teslas. My wife’s RAV4 looks like it’s trying way hard, looks awesome for her, I wouldn’t be crazy about it for myself given it’s a commuter car. I don’t mind the styling in the full size, looks pretty functional on the current Silverado and the EV. I apologize if I misunderstood your comments they seemed to have evolved some from the original it’s so big I’m gonna need a skyhook to wash it, you will need a step stool.

I don’t think there is a significant difference in battery technology between the Rivian and Silverado, both some form of NMC. If I were you and happy with the Rivian, especially the size, you should wait till solid state comes out, maybe lithium iron can figure out it’s range issues. I think solid state is the next leap in battery technology, LG and GM claim their NMCA tech will have better fast charging durability, but otherwise it’s the same heavy, explosive, 10 years worth of cycles. If my truck wasn’t ready to be upgraded now and I wasn’t going to save 30k over ten years with charging off solar I would wait. Depending on the pricing I might still end up with a stop gap late model ice truck.
Now a days reserving multiple EVs is essential. With almost two years until the non- fleet WT and other trims roll out a lot can happen so better to be in the que than not.
 
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