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Is the environment your main reason for buying a Silverado EV?

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It's unlikely being environmental friendly is the sole reason people buy EVs. Anything complicated always happens for myriad reasons; and asking someone what was their key motivator isn't very useful. This isn't like asking someone why they just hit McDonalds to get a hamburger... where the key decision driver for that purchase is going to be "because I was hungry." Buying a car has hundreds of factors.

It makes more sense to just consider the general trend that EVs provide, and realize being eco is just part of the trend.

The environment is becoming more and more polarizing. Those at one extreme that deny human-influenced-climate-change will do whatever it takes to avoid adopting green products... since doing so would be inconsistent with their beliefs that humans aren't harming the environment.

Then you have those early adopters that want to be able to boast how they're at the cutting edge of saving the Planet. These people have been buying EVs for years well before Polestar was a thing.

But the masses; they simply want to move the needle a bit. They still want their normal quality of life (towing a boat, enjoying a tech-rich UX, getting the kids to school, and going on road trips). And if they can get that while being a bit more green, that's cool.

BTW @2kwik4u, the easiest solution (I said easy, not cheap) for your coal situation is to install some solar panels... then configure your future EV Truck and wall-charger to take energy in during sun-up. So you bank your own solar production instead of exporting excess energy to the grid. There are a ton of companies that have this tech right now (SolarEdge, Tesla to just name a few) ... it's not a pipe dream.

I charge my Model 3 exclusively from rooftop solar generation. The more sun, the faster it charges. So, you can easily tell folks that you're charging your own car with your own clean energy instead of using coal... all while becoming more energy independent for your normal home energy loads as well. The return on investment/payback for you is less since your coal-fired electricity is so cheap in Kentucky. But if you're looking more at principles than payback, it's definitely a possibility.
 

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I have 10kW of solar, another BEV (Bolt), house is converted to electric, we zero out on all our energy use, I'm vegan, and I don't care any supposed environmental benefits.

Not because I don't care about climate change - I was following it when I was a physicist in the 90's. At the time was working in Japan which talked about it daily in the Japan Times (whereas it was News Blackout in the US). But the reality is that carbon calculations are difficult and depend on too many boundary conditions. Basically we have to - en-mass - go carbon neutral for it to work. Individuals taking action is largely ineffectual in my view. Well there's a marginal effect sure, but it has to be done as a nation, and unfortunately we've got Ostriches trying to ignore reality. But reality has a way of becoming real, so it'll happen.

I think it's worse than ostriches... because someone burying their head in the sand and pretending to be ignorant is just exercising their constitutional right to be hedonistic and selfish.

The problem lies with agents who gain political power and gain economic power by fighting efforts to reduce mankind's environmental impact. There are politicians whose platform and war chest lean very heavily on giving a voice to the ostriches and empowering businesses to increase carbon emissions.

Because the two party system inherently produces a "winner" and a "loser", American politics will never allow policies that result in mutual benefit for all. Any time one of the parties "wins", then the other party has to stoke the flames of hatred and decry such policy as having caused a "loss." This means any time there is progress to reduce mankind's environmental impact, there are people out there that actively push in the other direction to undermine the progress.
 

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There is no environmental benefit. That's been gone over ad nauseum. The main reason for buying an EV truck is to save money vs. an ICE truck just like it. i.e., you paid the same MSRP but now you don't have to buy gasoline or diesel fuel.

Well, with news that prices on EVs are going WAY up again due to "materials increases" that just went out the window. Ford jacked up Lightning prices as much as $8,500 per truck. I'm sure GM is going to backtrack on the $39,900 Silverado EV too by the time it ever comes to market. So, if these EVs are sitting on lots for $75,000 what's the point? I can buy a new ICE truck, save $25k, and have no range anxiety.

What article(s) are you reading that says EVs have no environmental benefit for anybody? Yes, the up front carbon impact for EVs is higher during manufacturing and the supply chain. But over the life of the vehicle, the environmental impact for many drivers are hard to dispute. It'll help others reading this thread to get better educated on the matter.

Here's some material from the EPA. But maybe you don't trust the Federal EPA because of politics and stuff with the current administration.

Here's a link on CNBC. But maybe you don't trust NBC because they are more left leaning than say the Wall Street Journal which is owned by Murdoch.

So here's WSJ on the topic; where they do see long term benefits of EVs vs Petrol:

Many anti-EV outlets cite NBER research from 2015 that proudly claimed that EVs charged from the grid weren't much better than gasoline vehicles outside of metro areas. But here's the latest NBER working paper on the matter (2021). Read the study for yourself and realize many drivers could see a benefit going with an EV.

If you're too busy to read that PDF, here's the NBER chart summarizing the benefits of EV vs petrol for a Ford Focus EV (one of the worst EV examples you can find out there). If you take a well engineered Tesla Model 3 vs a BMW 3 Series, the dots all drift to the right.
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But here's the rub of the anti-EV crowd. They assume a carowner/homeowner is charging the vehicle from the super-dirty grid. All a savvy EV buyer has to do is add solar panels to their roof and charge with their own clean energy. This is discussed many places on this forum and pretty much any EV forum. If a driver uses renewable energy generation to charge an EV, it will put every point to the right of that red line even if someone wants to factor in the production of the solar panels and disposal of those panels. Constructing and decommissioning a fossil fuel fired power plant also has a massive carbon impact; which for some reason is rarely discussed by the fossil fuel energy companies.

The win-win for everyone is to get the grid almost entirely on renewables; then put everyone in the most efficient vehicles possible. But since neither of those is happening fast enough due to the old-school energy lobby, EVs are a good intermediate step for many of us.

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Don’t bother arguing with him, he’s not buying the truck and is not open to changing his thinking. Which is fine. Truth exists somewhere in between.

I don't want to debate WXman, but I do want lurkers and people who see this thread to realize his blanket statement of "no environmental benefit" is were patently false and misleading. Naturally there are still people who defy human-influenced climate change and the shape of our planet. I doubt my links are going to sway any of those folks to come around. But for a casual lurker who is researching, I hope they realize the spectrum of research has reached conclusions where EVs have environmental benefits over the long haul for many Americans. Maybe not a benefit for 100% of Americans, but enough benefit that EVs are taking the trend in a positive direction.
 
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