[Captbadruck]

Just saw where GM said the Silverado WT and RST will both get the 400 miles full charge which is awesome considering most companies have the cheaper with scaled back mileage.
Also saw that congress is trying to pass a tax credit that would allow GM customers to take 12,500 off in tax credits where currently they can’t take anything.
I thought both of these were good news.

 

[Xman]

Just saw where GM said the Silverado WT and RST will both get the 400 miles full charge which is awesome considering most companies have the cheaper with scaled back mileage.
Also saw that congress is trying to pass a tax credit that would allow GM customers to take 12,500 off in tax credits where currently they can’t take anything.
I thought both of these were good news.

That $12,500 was part of the proposed and doomed BBB bill, it did not (and will not) happen.

Does not not mean there will not be efforts in the future, but there is currently nothing (live) on the floor.

 

[Captbadruck]

That $12,500 was part of the proposed and doomed BBB bill, it did not (and will not) happen.

Does not not mean there will not be efforts in the future, but there is currently nothing (live) on the floor.

Figures they would put it in that trash budget ugh.

 

[Yellowtail]

Are we sure that 400 miles will be the minimum? That's what I gathered when I heard about this vehicle, but some news articles and posts here seem to say that will be an option.

If the $40k WT does not have 400 miles, I will be shopping for another vehicle. It better not be a $10k or $20k upgrade.

 

[Captbadruck]

Are we sure that 400 miles will be the minimum? That's what I gathered when I heard about this vehicle, but some news articles and posts here seem to say that will be an option.

If the $40k WT does not have 400 miles, I will be shopping for another vehicle. It better not be a $10k or $20k upgrade.

From the last information release that I saw on YouTube, GM is saying it will be standard with the first releases but there will be another option in future models. Maybe they are looking to just pump them out by keeping standard specs???

 

[Yellowtail]

From the last information release that I saw on YouTube, GM is saying it will be standard with the first releases but there will be another option in future models. Maybe they are looking to just pump them out by keeping standard specs???

Sure hope so. I hate the way batteries are used as different prices points, ie standard and extended range on Tesla and Ford.

 

[Captbadruck]

Sure hope so. I hate the way batteries are used as different prices points, ie standard and extended range on Tesla and Ford.

I 100% agree as that was a huge selling point for me as well as the multi flex gate they have but I think we lost that in the WT which was a huge bummer so hoping to keep the mileage at least.

 

[BZZZZT_Maine]

Sure hope so. I hate the way batteries are used as different prices points, ie standard and extended range on Tesla and Ford.

No different than paying for ICE powertrain upgrades. With the bigger battery usually comes a HP and torque jump, too. So it isn't much different than ordering the V8 vs. the V6.

 

[Yellowtail]

No different than paying for ICE powertrain upgrades. With the bigger battery usually comes a HP and torque jump, too. So it isn't much different than ordering the V8 vs. the V6.

That was a different choice though. With BEV they become intertwined. Most would probably like the option where you're paying for the number of motors rather than battery size. Keep the "fuel tank" the same, but have 2 or 4 motors as the performance differentiator.

 

[Yellowtail]

I 100% agree as that was a huge selling point for me as well as the multi flex gate they have but I think we lost that in the WT which was a huge bummer so hoping to keep the mileage at least.

I was disappointed to find out the midgate won't be part of the WT. I'll pay maybe $1000 if it's an option. As long as it gets 400 miles and sticks to the $40k I'll buy one.

 

[BZZZZT_Maine]

That was a different choice though. With BEV they become intertwined. Most would probably like the option where you're paying for the number of motors rather than battery size. Keep the "fuel tank" the same, but have 2 or 4 motors as the performance differentiator.

not always. for example, i had a model 3 performance. it had the same size battery as the long range, and both had 2 motors. the performance had a bigger motor on the rear wheels. same deal with the model x performance.

the only ones doing multiple motor options at the moment are Rivian, and even then, that's only if you can get your hands on one.

 

[Fordskeptic]

I hope that I am wrong, but I understood 400 mile batter would be available fir the WT....meaning not std. Again, I hope I am wrong.

 

[Captbadruck]

I hope that I am wrong, but I understood 400 mile batter would be available fir the WT....meaning not std. Again, I hope I am wrong.

Last video I saw and article I read they said for the first groups the make 400 will be standard. They said later on they will offer other variants with less mileage and other features with different price points.

 

[Xman]

I hope that I am wrong, but I understood 400 mile batter would be available fir the WT....meaning not std. Again, I hope I am wrong.

Yeah, akin to hoping the biggest/best V8 will come standard in the next ICE version?

Not really how the real world works unfortunately.

 

[Yellowtail]

Yeah, akin to hoping the biggest/best V8 will come standard in the next ICE version?

Not really how the real world works unfortunately.

More akin to hoping the base truck has the same fuel tank size as the premium truck so we can go the same distance. Give the premium truck better interior and exterior features or additional motors. But once a manufacturer settles on a right-size battery capacity they'll have a winning recipe.

Until then if the WT has a less than 400 range I'll be sticking with a gas or hybrid truck that can deliver that range.

 

[BahamaTodd]

I am expecting that the maximum available range for both WT and RST trims will be at least 400 miles. Also that when we see the actual EPA ratings I expect each trim will get its own rating of at least 400 miles with the WT having a higher rating.

We saw this happen with the F150 Lightning where the loaded Platinum trim got a 300 mile rating while lower trims got a higher 320 mile rating.

GM has said that Ultium is capable of up to 450 miles.

 

[WXman]

It's a major bummer that the Silverado doesn't get the $7500 credit. I hope something comes along before the truck hits the streets.

 

[BahamaTodd]

It's a major bummer that the Silverado doesn't get the $7500 credit. I hope something comes along before the truck hits the streets.

Its not looking good for the credit
Bloomberg: Manchin Rejects Biden’s EV Tax Credit as ‘Ludicrous’

 

[WXman]

Its not looking good for the credit
Bloomberg: Manchin Rejects Biden’s EV Tax Credit as ‘Ludicrous’

I don't necessarily disagree with him, but the issue in our case specifically is that you have 3 major competitors in this field: F-150 Lightning, Silverado EV, and Ram Revolution EV. And of those 3, the only one that doesn't get the $7,500 credit is the Silverado.

That may explain why the Lightning has sold out and the Silverado hasn't, while people are blowing up the Stellantis phone lines asking about the upcoming Ram. $7,500 is a big deal.

 

[BahamaTodd]

I don't necessarily disagree with him, but the issue in our case specifically is that you have 3 major competitors in this field: F-150 Lightning, Silverado EV, and Ram Revolution EV. And of those 3, the only one that doesn't get the $7,500 credit is the Silverado.

That may explain why the Lightning has sold out and the Silverado hasn't, while people are blowing up the Stellantis phone lines asking about the upcoming Ram. $7,500 is a big deal.

Ford is expected to hit the credit limit by the end of the year so that won't last for very long. The majority of that will also be used up by the Mach-E while the Lightning slowly ramps up.

Ram will definitely have a huge advantage since Stellantis does not curently have any high volume EVs.