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Is the Hummer pack case over-built? Form needs to follow function. When your function includes passing the following test (see video below), perhaps it is "Just Right Design".


Regarding Munro's pack and module analysis, please see my limited review on the Hummerchat thread below:

Hummer Ultium module analysis
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Here is my take on the Hummer pack, authored in March and posted on the Hummerchat forum:

I have read several posts suggesting that the Hummer pack, though containing massive kWh, is a bloated, overweight pack and not up to the same standards as other current-generation battery packs. But the numbers tell a different story. When you crunch them, they look like this:

Hummer EV Ultium battery pack:

Weight: 2,923 lb (1326 kg)
usable capacity: 212.7 kWh (usable per EPA doc.)
usable energy density = 212.7 kWh/1,326 kg = 160.5 wH/kg

Comparable current-generation battery pack usable energy densities
:

Mach-e std : usable 68 kWh/485 kg = 140 wH/kg (data from Munro)
Model Y:
usable 75 kWh/437 kg = 171.5 wH/kg (data from Munro)
Model S Plaid
: = 172.5 wH/kg (181.5 wH/kg total energy density per recent Munro video. usable estimated assuming 5% buffer)


Hummer pack vs Mach-e: Hummer pack is 13% lighter than the Mach-e on a gravimetric energy density basis.
Hummer pack vs Y: Hummer pack is only 7% heavier than the Model Y’s on a gravimetric energy density basis
Hummer pack vs Plaid: Hummer pack is only 7% heavier than the Model S Plaid’s on a gravimetric energy density basis.

Regarding that 7% heavier... consider...

The 10” deep high-strength steel Hummer pack structural case provides unprecedented longitudinal, lateral, and torsional stiffness to complete a uniquely- engineered EV-specific integrated body-frame
, capable of managing the extreme shock and bending loads found only in aggressive off-road driving challenges. Challenges that no passenger-vehicle-based EV could ever survive.

The light-passenger-vehicle single-layer Lyriq Ultium pack will likely pencil out at about 175 wH/kg. It will compete well with the most energy-dense packs out there. But to navigate the Rubicon, you need a pack that works under extreme conditions, both electrically and structurally. You need a Hummer.
Silverado EV's will likely have a slightly lighter and tamer version of this pack case.

And will almost certainly have those same very-fire-proof modules, which incidentally, will be produced by the millions very soon and did not appear to contain ONE fastener in their assembly. All snap lock, welds + structural adhesives. Sounds pretty "Lean Design" to me, but what to I know?
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It appears they totally glossed over the little tidbit that the battery pack is is also the main structural component of the frame for the vehicle.

I see the design as similar to a body-on-frame design, like the Lighting, that happens to fit the battery modules within the frame.
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It appears they totally glossed over the little tidbit that the battery pack is is also the main structural component of the frame for the vehicle.

I see the design as similar to a body-on-frame design, like the Lighting, that happens to fit the battery modules within the frame.
Yeah, that didn't just gloss over...they seemed to be in total denial. The Lightning pack and structure are way different. The pack contributes zero to the structure. Those massive steel frame-rails do it all. The pack is actually mounted to the frame-rails with rubber isolators to ensure it doesn't get involved with anything structural. That is why Ford made everything possible in that pack light aluminum...it's a giant sack of potatoes, as Musk calls non-structural batteries.

Munro Live just posted an EXCELLENT analysis of the 250 kW front drive (that will also be on the Silverado:). Kevin and Jordan are their top engineers, IMHO. They don't miss a detail. Well, Jordan missed that the native voltage to the motor is 400 volts, not 800, but he can be forgiven one error, given he was a last-minute substitution for Cory, who probably had some Tesla-thing to do.

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